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Post by twhite0364 on Feb 11, 2005 12:50:04 GMT -5
It puzzles people why an "engine builder " would sell a product as a " second" or a "blemished" product when the defects are directly related to the performance & operations of the engine. I could understand a little more if it was more of a "dent & scratch" or something that would effect the cosmetics of the product and not the performance. As much as Marc (HWD) prides himself on his quality/appearance of his work, I doubt that he would sell something that would blemish/hamper its performance. Thats just not the charactristic of Marc. I am guessing that he felt that if he repaired the cylinder with a helicoil/ stud. Some people that bought the cylinder "new" would consider it as a repair and less than perfect. It's really not true but some/public would veiw it that away. So he is forced to sell it as "less" than perfect and take a small loss and probably due to an customer screw-up.. Really kind of un-fair to him in my opinion.But because of the "misunderstanding" of the public he takes a loss being good business. Actullay, when I receive a new cylinder (racing) and because of the constant rebuild & checks I "helicoil" all the areas that I know will get high traffic when it comes to bolting/removing.If installed properly there pretty much "bullet proof" the military/aicraft industry helicoil "everything" as a standard. Buy a $5000 dollar aluminum block (SBC) most are helicoiled. Because builders like Marck (hwd) and others like him, deal with a lot of the younger/adult. I am surprized that they offer the the product/services that they do. They offer a high performance kit send you the parts and "the buyer" is the mechanic regardless of their experience. Some havn't graduated puberty much less have the experence/capabilty of assembling a engine. Nor have a compitent parent/father than has experience to help.The first time something goes wrong "like an unseated c-clip or an air leak, broken bolts, wrong jetting, poor assembly" and problems arrive it is automatically "the builders" fault and they are pretty much backed against the wall. They either fix "your screwup" for fear that it will reflect bad and neither can they charge a few dollars for their time because again they will get a bad rap. Honestly if you received a vigin PD2 kit that has never been ran and got a 100.00 off of the normal price for a few stripped cylinder head bolt, i feel you got a pretty good deal. There is plenty of room on a blaster between the cylinder and the edge of the bore/cylinder without problems and a helicoil is a pretty simple fix. And if stripping/breaking bolts in a properly set helicoil there are other issues wrong. You could easily replace "all" the head bolt with helicoils in one hour, so you would be getting $100.00 of labor for an hour of your work, and I am sure that there won't be to many times that you will be getting paid like that for you time. Don't get me wrong HWD is not a fan of myself and I am even banned from his website but I call a situation they way I see it fair If you are trying to say I don't know what I am doing than screw you. I also graduated puberty about four years ago. So don't talk about me being a young kid. I am probablly one of the oldest people on this forum. Hey I will sell you the cylinder for 100.00 and when you torque them all down and studs rip out don't complain just be happy you got a "Deal" on something that needs to be fixed. You all would prolly have the same opinion if you bought it. I seriously want all you to say that if you bought something and when you went to put it on something broke that you wouldn't be pissed off. It didn't happen to you though so I guess you wouldn't understand. So I could care less about what any of you have to say. I never bad mouthed HWD work. I just said they didn't tell me all the facts. So you guys can say I am "immature" or "imcomptant" or that my Father is than seriously screw you. |
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Post by kartracer92 on Feb 11, 2005 13:04:59 GMT -5
Send me your cylinder and $100.00 and I will put all "new" studs in and helicoils , you will not have a problem, I will pay shipping.
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Post by twhite0364 on Feb 11, 2005 13:15:34 GMT -5
although I am "imcompetant" I already fixed all the studs. Thanks though. Don't ever try to say I am stupid or that again if you don't know me don't make judgements. Ok.
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Post by kartracer92 on Feb 11, 2005 13:49:00 GMT -5
You need to calm down... I have a problem with anybody coming on a public forum and bashing a product regardless of who it is. Like I said about HWD, I am certainly not on his christmas card list but I will defend the fact that he did try to resolve a problem.
Reagardless of who the builder /person is when something is not right, all the can do is offer/provide a method to solve the problem. They canot take away the fact that it happened. A customer not allowing the provider to fix/resolve the problem then complaining is as much or more of the original problem IMO
I explained what some of the builders go through with the younger, if you felt like you were not within this description than I am not quite sure why you got so offended. I explained why many of these problems occur I can assure you that HWD and many builder like him have solved problem on a daily bases that dosen't pertain to their own work & problems
I really rather doubt that I am your junior when speaking of age, LOL
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Post by twhite0364 on Feb 11, 2005 14:07:15 GMT -5
I am not saying you are my junior. I know for a fact the majortiy of this site is around 16. I am not one of those people. When you start saying I am imcompetant, and that my father is. He has nothing to do with this. Again I never bad mouthed hwd I was just saying that he sould have told me all the facts. Why don't you all understand this. I also said he offered to fix it. Are you all blind.
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Post by Shav0 on Feb 11, 2005 15:11:37 GMT -5
Ok hold on. Let me get this straight. You managed to stip two studs, that already had helicoils previously put in? How the heck did you manage that, there is no way you torqued them down to the right ft .lbs. A helicoil is just as strong, or in most cases stronger then the origional casting. Like Kartracer said, most people use helicoils just for the peace of mind. If you did manage to strip two coils then you must of been doing somthing wrong. Those studs only take 20 ft.lbs and the helicoil WILL take that easy.
If the helicoils were previously installed by HWD then you should be thankful. I would rather have them in every stud because as said above they are much stronger. I don't even consider the kit you got "blemmished" or "second." As far as im concerned you got a killer deal, messed it up, and now your pissed. I can see where your coming from, hell I'd be mad too. But It's no ones fault but your own.
On a second note, don't try and say you didn't bad mouth HWD. Did you not read what YOU posted on his fourms.
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Post by twhite0364 on Feb 11, 2005 15:53:06 GMT -5
OH 20 ft. lbs. Oh I thought it was 200. Oops. Not you think I am stupid. The torque wrench I used was set to 20 ft. lbs. I checked the couple I have against each other and they were all right. I dont' know who put the helicoils in put whoever did did not do a good job. They post I put on hwd forum was a copy of this post. It was no different. Nice try though. The whole blemished thing came from a email that mike himsefl sent me. I didn't just make it up. How can you screw something up when all you are doing is torqueing down head nuts. You all must think I am like 14 like everyone else on this site. But I am not. Like I said before you all would feel the same way if it happened to you but it didn't. I did get a good deal but I don't care what kind of deal I got if it is not in proper working condition.
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Post by kawi on Feb 11, 2005 15:55:05 GMT -5
Wow this is crazy,
But personallly I think the guy should have got an apology or something...
I mean they used the same torque rench on his friends pd3 motor and it worked fine.
He shouldnt have been banned from the hwd forum or anything. He should be getting help on how to fix it "even though he already did.
Just my opinion.
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Post by twhite0364 on Feb 11, 2005 16:01:55 GMT -5
Thanks KAWI at least someone sees alittle bit how I feel. The thing that pissed me off the most is the way HWD handled the whole situation. They did say they would fix it but they were so ignorant in there emails. That is what pissed me off. I wish I would have kept them and I would have posted them also. That is what pushed me to do this. They acted like I shouldn't have been mad that something I spent good money on was not in correct working order.
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Post by blaster99 on Feb 11, 2005 16:03:19 GMT -5
Wow this is crazy, But personallly I think the guy should have got an apology or something... I mean they used the same torque rench on his friends pd3 motor and it worked fine. He shouldnt have been banned from the hwd forum or anything. He should be getting help on how to fix it "even though he already did. Just my opinion. very true i think costmer service is the key now i will sing a song to make everyone happy Why cant we be freinds why cant we be freinds why cant we be freinds why cant we be freinds.......... |
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Post by kawi on Feb 11, 2005 16:11:29 GMT -5
very true i think costmer service is the key now i will sing a song to make everyone happy Why cant we be freinds why cant we be freinds why cant we be freinds why cant we be freinds.......... Didn't you said you would stay out of this thread lol. We don't any songs  |
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Post by Shav0 on Feb 11, 2005 16:12:24 GMT -5
There is no wrong way to install a helicoil, they only fit in one way so that couldn't be the problem. Stop wining about it dude. If you cared that much you should have sent it back to them to have it repaired and make things right. You keep saying your not a kid, and you know what your doing. Then grow up and stop acting like one. Like I said before, you should consider a heli-coil a bonus, they are much stronger. Just because you messed it up, dosn't give you the right to go making a big scene trying to ruin Marc's rep. Given the chance, he would have made things right, the way they should be.
Kawi, he is not banned from HWD.
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Post by pittboss45 on Feb 11, 2005 16:25:08 GMT -5
wow!
the only people that know what really went on are the two involved. this guy said what stroked him the wrong way were the e-mails and or pm's he received. and we all know what can go on behind the scenes.
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Post by kawi on Feb 11, 2005 17:13:08 GMT -5
wow! and we all know what can go on behind the scenes. What's that supposed to mean? I tseems everytime one of these posts gets brought up your somehow in it. lol |
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Post by pittboss45 on Feb 11, 2005 17:36:42 GMT -5
what, i'm not allowed to say anything?
people shouldn't get their shorts bunched up unless they know what really happened. the man said he didn't like the messages he received. i've been down that road and can relate.
do you have a problem with my posting?
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